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#1 cessna151

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Posted 13 November 2011 - 01:39 PM

I purchased a new 3gal tank about 4 weeks ago and bought a betta halfmoon doubletail about 3 weeks ago. Since then i have noticed a white film build up on the surface of the water. The film is thicker in the filter where there are also a bunch of white specs. I also noticed what looks like a white coating on part of the betta's fins next to his body. Can anyone tell me if this is bad, what it is, and what to do about it?

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http://rc.runryder.c...o/35035/1-3.jpg
http://rc.runryder.c...o/35035/2-1.jpg
http://rc.runryder.c...oto/35035/3.jpg
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Posted 13 November 2011 - 01:53 PM

We need to know the following things before we can help you!

SYMPTOMS
Appearance Changes:
Behavior Changes:
Eating Habits:
Other:

WATER STATS
Ammonia:
Nitrate:
Nitrite:
pH:
Hardness:
Alkalinity:
Time you noticed the illness:

TANK
Size:
Temp:
Filtration/Aeration:

HUSBANDRY PRACTICES
Frequency of Tank Cleaning:
Water Additives:
Feeding (food type/frequency):
Tank Mates:

TREATMENT
Any treatment so far and when:

HISTORY
List any past health problems:

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Posted 13 November 2011 - 02:55 PM

Looks like a protein film, nothing serious just happens when the water isn't stirred much, if you dont like it then add a bubbler and you wont see it :). I dont think its related to the white on the fishes fins. That maybe coloration or a fungus. Just fill out the form posted above and we can get a better clue, hes a beautiful fish by the way.

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Posted 13 November 2011 - 05:00 PM

It looks like residue from your gravel or some ornament in the filter and on the surface. On the fish it looks a little odd, but could still be natural coloring.

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Posted 13 November 2011 - 07:37 PM

Yikes that doesn't look nice. Is it still happening after water changes?

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Posted 14 November 2011 - 09:19 AM

SYMPTOMS
Appearance Changes: White on fins. I didn't see this when i bought him, however, it's possible i overlooked it. From what i've seen of pics of other bettas this could be natural.
Behavior Changes: none
Eating Habits: seems normal
Other: This is the first fish i've ever had so all i know is what i've read.

WATER STATS
Ammonia: NA, my water test kit doesn't test for this.
Nitrate: 40
Nitrite: 2.0
pH: 8.0 I know this is high, even with the regulator liquid it still stays high. I read that with time it will come down.
Hardness: 75
Alkalinity: 300
Time you noticed the illness: About 1 week after purchase

TANK
Size: 3gal
Temp: 79
Filtration/Aeration: Tetra whisper micro filter

HUSBANDRY PRACTICES
Frequency of Tank Cleaning: 10% water change every week
Water Additives: Seachem neutral regulator liquid, Nutrafin plant gro
Feeding (food type/frequency): Once daily, 6 times per week. I alternate between TetraBetta Plus floating pellets and Top Fin freeze-dried bloodworms
Tank Mates: none
Tank decor: Live plant... Alternanthera ficoidea

TREATMENT
Any treatment so far and when: none


HISTORY
List any past health problems: No appetite for the first day or two after purchase. Then normal.


If it is nothing serious then i don't intend to do anything about it. I just wanna make sure my betta will be ok. I very thoroughly rinsed the gravel and the plant before introducing them to the tank. The film on the surface appeared about a week after i bought the betta and the white specs in the filter appeared a few days later.

Edited by cessna151, 14 November 2011 - 09:22 AM.


#7 cessna151

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Posted 14 November 2011 - 11:27 AM

Here is a pic of the whole tank, if it helps...

http://rc.runryder.c.../35035/tank.jpg

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Posted 14 November 2011 - 02:05 PM

I would up the water changes to help keep the nitrates down(try 20% a week) is the tank cycled?? Also stop with the PH liquid, bettas can adjust to the higher Ph and its dangerous to use liquids as the change in ph bothers them. Other then that the tank itself looks very nice, could use a few more hiding places(just a teracotta pot on its side would work). But once again hes a beautiful fish.

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Posted 14 November 2011 - 05:54 PM

I do not believe the tank has cycled yet. I have not yet seen the "bacterial bloom" most people talk about and the nitrite level has yet to peak and start to decline which i've read is the main indicator that the tank has cycled. I also use the liquid regulator because it claims to remove ammonia since i don't have a test for that, but i'll stop for now if you think it's best.

could use a few more hiding places


I agree and i'm looking for something very specific. Since i'm an aviation nut i would love to find a sunken plane/helicopter wreck. So far i have only found ones that are way to large for my tank.

But once again hes a beautiful fish.


Thank you. We went to 5 different petcos/petsmarts before we chose him.

Edited by cessna151, 14 November 2011 - 05:55 PM.


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Posted 14 November 2011 - 06:13 PM

I suggest getting a liquid amonia test. API is the easiest to obtain at petsmart. They are very accurate. If the tanks not cycled then you should be doing 100% water changes a week. If the fish gets caught mid cycle they can get rather sick.

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Posted 14 November 2011 - 09:20 PM

Just be careful with hiding places that you don't get something that your betta can get stuck in. Other than that the white on your betta looks like normal coloring and now that he's settling into his new home it looks like his colors are developing into what he's supposed to look like.

Also, the problem with the pH regulator is that while it will drop your pH it will also not keep it there for long and then the pH will swing back up. It's the swinging pH that causes the problem, not the high pH to begin with.

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Posted 15 November 2011 - 08:35 AM

Ok so back to the original problem. The white film and white specs in the filter are nothing to worry about and need no immediate action on my part?




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