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#1 WDL3

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Posted 04 June 2010 - 09:05 PM

First, You can't believe everything you read on the internet.
After alot of reserch, I found a species of betta called "chupang raja", which means "king betta" in Indonesian. They are not plakats, they are bigger than plakats but aren't giant bettas either. Giants are bubble nesters and these Kings are mouth brooders. The giant species gestates in 2-4 days and the Raja takes aprox 14 days. So I guess these breeders could let me know how to cross apples with oranges too?

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Posted 04 June 2010 - 09:20 PM

Definitely NOT betta raja. They're just large plakats.

Adited to add a link to betta raja info and pictures.

http://smp.ibcbettas...ecies/raja.html

Petco only calls them King bettas to sound fancy... because round tail sounds too plain, and plakat is hard to pronounce to a lot of people.

Edited by Nelson, 04 June 2010 - 09:33 PM.


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Posted 04 June 2010 - 10:03 PM

So I can breed my "King" with a small female plakat? :rolleyes:
Would your answer be yes you can breed a king and a plakat?
Or would your answer be PetCo is probably going to get sued for false advertising?

Edited by WDL3, 04 June 2010 - 10:11 PM.


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Posted 04 June 2010 - 10:12 PM

You can breed a king with any betta splendens. Be it plakat, crowntail, HM etc.

They are just larger plakats.

And you could give it a try with a small female plakat, but that is not advisable as he will probably be too brutal for her. But the genetics are not what is stopping that pairing from happening.

The petco kings are definitely betta splendens.

There are also King crowntails which are a type of cross ray ct.

And yes, raja means king.

No, this does not mean they are all the same fish or that anyone is falsely advertising. Betta strain names are all made up anyway.

Edited by Maryanne, 04 June 2010 - 10:15 PM.


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Posted 04 June 2010 - 10:15 PM

You can breed a king with any betta splendens. Be it plakat, crowntail, HM etc.

They are just larger plakats.

"chupang raja", means "king betta" in Indonesian. Chupang raja cannot be bred with Plakats I am pretty sure.
Now if Petco is selling something other than Chupang Raja they are not true kings... Agreed?

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Posted 04 June 2010 - 10:17 PM

I have never seen a king crowntail. I have however seen a giant crowntail. A raja is a true King period!

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Posted 04 June 2010 - 10:18 PM

Nope. Not agreed. Just because it means "king betta" in indonesian, it does not mean the english translation refers to the same fish. They are not true chupang raja's but that is not what they are claiming to be.


There is no such thing as a true king betta. There are no standards. You cannot say there is a true anything unless there are clearly documented standards and traits for a king.

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Posted 04 June 2010 - 10:20 PM

since the true king came from indonesia I am going to go with that and you guys can keep buying fake bettas at petco thank for all the help!

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Posted 04 June 2010 - 10:24 PM

Wow.

Petco isn't claiming to have the wild raja. It had a different version of the betta splendens (namely a larger plakat) and they needed to call it something different so they could charge more for it and make money.

If you want a raja, go ahead and buy a raja.

They aren't claiming to be the same fish so they can't possibly be fake!

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Posted 04 June 2010 - 10:48 PM

Betta raja
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Giant Betta splenden (In the back)
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Definitely not the same fish, and not what you see in petco.

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Posted 05 June 2010 - 03:27 AM

Personally always thought 'king betta' was a made up fancy name, rather than a species.

Pet shop bettas are more than likely weaker breeding.

Isn't the raja a wild large mouth breeder?

Edited by Josephine, 05 June 2010 - 03:29 AM.


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Posted 05 June 2010 - 09:17 AM

King is a made up name for half giant splendens. Raja is a species name. Raja just happens to mean king in anther language.

All bettas that petco sells are Betta splendens. They need a way to charge you different amounts for the different varieties, so they give them names. King sounds more impressive than half giant plakat, so they went with king to sell more fish.




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