Fin Rot Treatment
Posted 09 July 2006 - 04:02 PM
and how much salt is too much? is it not recommended to put a little bit of salt in when there is fin rot, or a little bit is a good idea, or is it just good for parasite problems?
Posted 09 July 2006 - 08:52 PM
0.1% is general tonic level - harmless and can be used indefinitely but not necessary if there is no reason (see above) to use salt. Also used dureing the nitrite phase of cycling. <1 tsp per gl, 1 tablespoon per 5 gl's is approximatly 0.1% without getting right down to the actual math and a salt test kit is recomended>
0.3% treatment level for some parasites like ich and costia. A few weeks exposure is okay/ tech 14 day's suggested use.
0.6% treatment for salt resistant parasites <IE: Costia>, regenerate slime coat - start to irritate the fish. No more than 2 weeks
0.9 salt bath level. First aid for parasites, kick start osmotic process - a couple of hours but depends on how the fish handles it
1.5%+ salt dip - strips slime coat, kill fungus, etc. 5-10mins MAX. As soon as they roll over, take them out of the dip.
Salt dosage for Nitrite Phase:
Salt in the QT:
Salt is used to manage stress, nitrite uptake, and parasite eradication.
Medical Cabinet recomendations:
Salt should alway's be dissolved and pour/spread/distributed evenly around, never in the the filters.
Technically it should be treated as a medication period IMHO.
Neomycin Sulfate can be found in Neo Sporin, Debride and Bio Bandage would be the fishy equevalent of, and can be found on its own as a powder as well. I do believe I saw it listed on his site in the powder. I havn't had a chance to look over all the meds there yet. I think the Kanamycin Sulfate is as well, though Kanaplex is one such medication
Posted 09 July 2006 - 09:56 PM
Posted 09 July 2006 - 11:09 PM
EDIT: Oh, and I haven't had a case of finrot in about a year just by keeping my tanks clean.
Posted 09 July 2006 - 11:24 PM
I did read an journal article recently where they found that salt does help keep flex from being able to stick to the fish. (Altinok & Grizzle (2001) Effects of low salinities on Flavobacterium columnare infection of euryhaline and freshwater stenohaline fish, Journal of Fish Diseases, 24, 361-367) This study demonstrated that salt is a useful adjunct to antibiotics when treating flex. I've used .3% over two week periods with goldies and haven't noticed any effect on my biofilter. Predissolve and pour into a high flow area making sure it disperses well is how I dose salt. It'd be silly to put a concentrated salt solution in your filter. In an uncycled betta bowl, I'd think the effect on the biofilter would be irrelevant since there is no biofilter.
I'm curious... How salt tolerant are bettas?
Posted 10 July 2006 - 12:24 AM
Posted 10 July 2006 - 01:28 AM
Posted 10 July 2006 - 11:26 AM
As far as the salt issue, I've had at least a dozen bettas cured from fin rot and have never used salt for anything other than mild parasite control. It is not a medication and shouldn't be used as one.
Kathy, for every source you can quote, I can find at least one that says the contrary to what you are saying. There is a lot of misinformation floating around in a lot of forums. Personally, I prefer to listen to someone with the actual hands on experience than to look up a reference that someone posts from someone else, who may or may not have correct information.
And congratulations for being a moderator on another forum. I'm a moderator on this one. That doesn't mean I know more than someone who has spent 30 years working with and developing treatments for fish. I will be the first to tell you that I don't know everything about bettas. But I am smart enough to welcome every ounce of Brian's knowledge that he is willing to share with us and to learn from it. Perhaps your information would be better suited in the koi section here since that seems to be your forte.
Posted 10 July 2006 - 11:50 AM
and what about colloidal silver on the treatment of fin rot and bacterial issues? i've heard of many people having good results from it, but not sure myself and i've lost the info on correct dosage and application
Posted 10 July 2006 - 12:04 PM
Personally, I've treated plenty of fin rot from bettas who probably just had ammonia/nitrite off the scales in their cups when I rescued them from the pet stores. I found that a double-dose of stress guard (not stress coat) and BWE, plus 1tbsp salt per 5g (as mentioned by Kathy) and water changes every other day will clear up most cases. However, when I see rapid deterioration and bloody fin tips, I will use an anti-biotic; M2 seems to work in most cases.
I'm not too worried about salt killing good bacteria in the tank, namely because my tanks are not cycled. I'd think twice about putting a high salt dose in my nicely cycled goldfish tank, though. However, for my boys in unfiltered 5g tanks that are cleaned at least once weekly, I seldom if ever see fin rot, and am not bothered by using salt.
Either way, I'm going to take down the names of the anti-biotics suggested here so that if I get a bad case of rot that is caused by Psuedemonis, not just bad pet store husbandry, I'll know what is most effective to treat with. Thanks Brian!
Edited by RandomWiktor, 10 July 2006 - 12:09 PM.
Posted 10 July 2006 - 12:13 PM
Posted 10 July 2006 - 12:25 PM
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